SEP 1985 - #6 +-------------------------------------------+ <<-----<>----->> | | | L OOOO OOOO PPPPP | A LOOP FAMILY | L O O O O P P | INTEREST GROUP | L O O O O P P | NEWSLETTER | THE L O O O O PPPPP | | L O O O O P | <<-----<>----->> | L O O O O P | | LLLLL OOOO OOOO P | Victor L. Bennison | | 2 Georgetown Drive | SSSS CCCC OOOO OOOO PPPPP | Amherst, NH 03031 | S C O O O O P P | | S C O O O O P P | <<-----<>----->> | SSS C O O O O PPPPP | | S C O O O O P | 4 issues yearly | S C O O O O P | June, September | SSSS CCCC OOOO OOOO P | December, March | | +-------------------------------------------+ <<-----<>----->> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! EDITOR'S NOTE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I want to thank all of you who continue to send in new material as you discover it. It is what keeps this newsletter going. I wonder where all the Leupp and Lupp descendants are? There are lots of them out there, just look in the New York City phone book. But not one of them subscribes to the Scoop. If you find any of them out there tell them about the Scoop. Nor do we seem to have any descendents of the brothers Sebastian and Martin Loop. The article I chose for this issue was sent to me by Ross Roby. It doesn't contain any Loops, unless the evil Captain Lobb is a Loop, but I have included it to give you some feeling for the hardships to which our ancestor Loops may have been exposed in their journey to America. Remember that Gerlach and his family were Palatines sailing from Rotterdam to Philadelphia. Your next issue of the Scoop, issue #7, will reach you in January. I am going to push back all the publication dates by one month starting with that issue. The Scoop will then be published in January, April, July, and October. As you can imagine, December is a lousy month for me to be trying to get out an issue. And September isn't very good either. The subscription rate for this year is $15. Anyone subscribing during this issue year (June,'85 - April,'86) will receive exactly four issues (#5 through #8). If you have not received your copy of #5 then please let me know. Volume 1 of the Scoop, issues #1 through #4 are available at $10 dollars for the complete volume. c Victor L. Bennison, 1985 ****************************** ARTICLE ********************************* From "The German Immigratation into Pennsylvania" by Frank Ried Diffenderffer [Note: Let's just assume that the evil Captain Lobb in the following is not a Lupp.] In some instances these German immigrants have recorded in writings which are still accessible the story of their sufferings and their wrongs. We have a case of this in the record of the voyage of the ship "Love and Unity", than which no vessel was perhaps ever more unaptly named. This ship under the command of Captain Lobb, sailed from Rotterdam for Philadelphia in May, 1731, with more than one hundred and fifty Palatines. Instead of going to Philadelphia, these people, or rather the survivors, were landed on the island of Martha's Vineyard, off the southern coast of Massachusetts. Of their number, only thirty-four reached Philadelphia in May, 1732 [Philadelphia Gazette, May 18, 1832]. In a letter written by Johannes Gohr, Jacob Diffebach, Jonas Daner, Jacob Kuntz and Samuel Schwachhamer, dated February, 1732, to the Rev. Michael Weiss, a German Reformed minister in Philadelphia, they say among other things: " Captain Lobb, a wicked murderer of souls, thought to starve us, not having provided provisions enough, according to agreement; and thus got possession of our goods; for during the voyage of the last eight weeks, five persons were only allowed one pint of coarse meal per day, and a quart of water to each person. We were twenty-four weeks coming from Rotterdam to Martha's Vineyard. There were at first more than one hundred and fifty persons - more than one hundred perished. To keep from starving, we had to eat rats and mice. We paid from eight pence to two shillings for a mouse, four pence for a quart of water. In one night several persons miserably perished and were thrown naked overboard; no sand was allowed to be used to sink the bodies but they floated. We paid for a loaf of Indian corn eight shillings. Our misery was so great that we often begged the captain to put us on land that we might buy provisions. He put us off from day to day for eight weeks, until at last it pleased Almighty God, to send us a sloop, which brought us to Home's Hole, Martha's Vineyard. Had he detained four days longer every one of us would have famished; for none had it in his power to hand another a drop of water. All our chests were broken open. The captain constrained us to PAY THE WHOLE FREIGHT OF THE DEAD AND LIVING, as if he had landed us at Philadelphia, and we agreed in writing to do so, not understanding what we signed; but we are not able to comply, for if we are to pay for the DEAD, we should have taken the GOODS OF THE DEAD; but in discharging the vessel, we found that most of THEIR CHESTS were broken open and plundered. "The Captain however, has determined, that we shall pay him in three weeks; we, therefore, desire you to instantly assist us as much as is in your power. For if we have to pay, the wicked captain will make us all beggars. We would have sent two or three men with this letter, but none of us is yet able to stir, for we are weak and feeble; but as soon as there shall be two or three of us able to travel they will follow." ... In this instance the deception and rascality perpetrated on these poor people became the subject of official investigation. The sequel to this tale of oppression and suffering is not the least interesting part of the story. It appears that several of these wretched German immigrants had charged Captain Lobb with killing several of their countrymen by his brutal treatment. Such an accusation could hardly be passed over in silence, so he haled his accusers into the Massachusetts courts, and after a prolonged trial, the captain was not only acquitted of the charge but the witnesses against him were saddled with the costs of the trial and sent to jail until they were paid. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ VITAL DATA +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 1. Marriage records from Edgar County, IL: Date of marriage: June 21, 1890. George M. Loop age 27 resides at Metcalf IL, farmer born: Clark Co., IL Father: George Loop Mother: Margaret Seen m. Martha Payne age 40 resides Chrisman, IL (second marriage) born Vermillion Co., IN, Father: John Starkey Mother: Ellen Julian [submitted by Marilyn Loop who doesn't know how this George fits in with the other Edgar County Loops.] 2. 1871 Directory of Hudson, Columbia, NY, p. 65: John P. Loop, house @ 28 Union St. William H. Loop, bookkeepper, boards @ Hudson House in Franklin Square 3. Livingston Reformed Church membership list Catherine Loop member 11:1:1775 Jacob Loop member 10:6:1769 Elizabeth Loop member 9:9:1780 Gert Loepp member 6:1:1771 Jacobus Loop member 7:4:1789 John Loop member 7:4:1789 Margaret Haver, wife of John member 7:4:1789 Maria Loop member 7:4:1789 Margaret Loop member 7:4:1789 4. Bush Cemetery, Alburgh, VT, inscriptions: Lewis Sowles, Jr. d. May 28, 1848 aged 35 years 7 months Ira Sowles, son of Lewis and Mary Sowles March 9, 1837 age 39 years Sally M. Sowles, consort of Col. Wm L. Sowles died 16 May 1827 age 23 years Sarah Martha Sowles d. Sep 21 1842 at half past 11 O'Clock PM aged 19 years 7 mos and 4 days, daughter of William L. Sowles of Alburgh Wm H. Lyman born in Vergennes died Alburgh Sept 17 1864 age 62 years Louisa M. wife of Wm H. Lyman died Aug 16 1827 aged 17 years Almira E. Loop, daughter of Hon Philyer and Martha Loop who died at Alburgh Nov 5, 1830 aged 18 years and ??? Joseph B. Loop who died April 10th A.D. 1824 aged 21 years 8 months and 22 days Augustus P. Loop who died Feb 17 A.D. 1834 aged 28 years 1 month and 7 days Alanson D. Loop who died August 18 1830 aged 22 years ??? Mrs. Martha Loop who died Sept 13th A.D. 1825 Aged 36 [?] years, 11 months and 24 days. Our mothers, where are they? The Hon. Philyer Loop who died 21st April 1822 AET 44 years and 5 months. Our fathers, where are they? One stone which was unreadable, but obviously a Loop family stone. 5. Abstract of the will of Silas Downing of Hillsdale: 25 APR 1841 probated 6 JAN 1842. Wife Peggy; Sons Silas, Allen B., George W., heirs of Wm H. Downing, decd: Emily Matilda, Charles Henry, Sarah Elizabeth; Daughters Angelica wife of Geo. Loop, Phebe wife of Wm Palmer. 6. Morgan Cemetery, Clay, Onondaga County, NY: Helen, wife of Martin Loop who died Ja [or Ju] 28, 1856 aged 28 years. [Janet Loop submitted this and suggests this is wife of Martin, son of Martin and Hannah (Woodard) Loop. I think the date must be "Ja" foor January, since "Ju" would be ambiguous. June or July would probably not be abbreviated.] 7. Abstracted from the Standard History of Oklahoma, p. 991: Lewis M. Young b. Virginia 1830 d. Nebraska 1899. wife b. Virginia, d. Nebraska 1878. Children: Mary Young George Washington Young Robert A. Young Visa Jane Young Cansby Young wife of George Carroll of Alva Lewis H. Young Julia wife of Charles Loop of Plattsmouth, Nebraska ?????????????????????????????? QUERIES ????????????????????????????????? Please send responses to queries to the Loop Scoop. I will relay them to the person asking the question. 1. Henry H. Loop was born in New York between 1827 and 1836. He does not show up in Chautauqua County until the 1855 census of that county. There he is listed as the adopted son of Nicolas Thum and his county of birth is listed as unknown. He married Luana Marsh and lived in Chautauqua County until his death in 1911. On his death certificate his father is listed as John Loop. No mother is listed. Questions: Where was he born? Who were his parents? - Vick Bennison 2. Family info indicates father of Peter H. Loop b. 1766/7 d. 1855 Sandusky Co., OH, was Peter Loop Sr. b. 1743 Schoharie, NY, d. 1843 Woodstock, IL. Other info places Peter H. as the son of Ensign Henry Loop. Has anyone found records of a Schoharie NY Peter Loop, of a Peter Loop dying or buried at Woodstock (McHenry County) IL, or a marriage record of Ensign Henry's son Peter? My Peter Loop married Rebecca Gilbert, supposedly in 1790 at Schoharie, NY, and his tombstone has Peter Loop, JR. 1766 - 1855. - Joanne Ellis 3. I am seeking the parents of Jane Loop who married Jonathan Andrus (Andrews) of New York. Their child, Polly Andrews, born 3 APR 1791, died 17 DEC 1872 at Windsor, NY, she having married Ezra Barton on 28 NOV 1808 in Broome County, NY. Is there proof that she is the daughter of Peter Loop and Couysa Springer? - Dee Merritt 4. [Editor's note: I don't understand the following querie, as it is written. It seems to answer its own question. But I will publish it here as received. Perhaps the submitter will wish to reword it later.] I am searching for the father of Almond H. Loop born in New York to Henry and Amy (Dikeman) Loop on 27 February 1828. His mother married William Hooker. In the 1850 census of Bradford Township, McKean County, PA there were nine children including Almond living in the William Hooker household. According to obituaries I have read they all moved to Manchester, Delaware County, Iowa in 1864. Almond was my great- grandfather. - Vola Carter +++++++++++++++++++++++ NOTES AND ANNOUNCEMENTS +++++++++++++++++++++++ 1. On a recent trip to Montreal I stopped in the Alburg, Vermont area to research the Loops. I photographed and recorded the Loop gravestones in the Bush Cemetery. Then I went to Lacolle Village across the border in Quebec. They showed me how to get to the Odelltown area, right on the U.S. border. I searched through the old cemetery there. There were no Loops, but there were lots of Odells. You may recall that Philyer Loop, Captain Peter Loop's son, married Martha Odell. The village clerk in Lacole told me that there had been a member of the Canadian Parliament from the Lacole district whose name was Loop Odell. I find that extremely interesting. I have a strong hunch that Martha was an Odell from Odelltown. There were two or three Joseph Odell's buried in the Odelltown cemetery, and Philyer and Martha named their firstborn Joseph B. Loop. I called the New England Historical Genealogical Society and asked about Loop Odell. They have an Odell history that goes into the Odells of Odelltown. There was a Loop Odell, a William Loop Odell, and a Loop Marcellus Odell listed. The librarian could not find our Martha Odell while on the phone, but there was no index to the book. The next time I go down to their library I'll do a more thorough search. The Odells of Odelltown, by the way, were originally from Dutchess County, NY. (Also recall that Ira D. Loop claimed to have been born in Odell, Canada or Ellsburgh, VT. Somewhere there's a connection.) 2. Marilyn and Larry Loop recently visited Larry's ancestral stomping grounds in Edgar County, Illinois. There they found much new information about George Loop (b. 1790, PA). I'm including updated family group sheets for George Loop and his son John Loop, which reflect the new data. Marilyn writes: "Now for a brief item of interest ... John Loop born in 1811 died in 1903, lived through the terms of twenty-two presidents. It was our conclusion that John lived very much in the present and did not talk much about his past. One of his great-grandsons remembers both John and Rhoda. He said that John never even mentioned that he had older children. This man also said that Rhoda was a real short woman and very friendly. She lived with a daughter after John's death. John Loop and Rhoda built a log barn on their farm and lived in it with their children until they could complete their log home. We saw the original farm site. Bernard Loop lives in Chrisman and is a younger brother of Amel Loop in Wichita. He took us to the cemetery where we found John's grave. He knew nothing of George. He did tell us that one day several years ago a very nice man named Omer Loop came by and asked alot of questions and told them he was writing a book. ... Bernard also told us that he heard from his father that John Loop was very smart and that although he could not read or write he could figure things in his head really well. This always surprised the people he did business with. It was also mentioned that John believed that someone should always be at the home place. Therefore the whole family never all left at the same time..." 3. Janet and Lloyd Loop made a genealogical research tour through upstate New York. They sent me a lengthy digest of all the Loop material they found, including an answer to my request for a search of the Morgan Cemetery in Clay, N.Y. Janet has been searching records for Doop's. This is because in the old script an "L" often would looks like a "D". I haven't researched this myself. I have not seen a Doop or Dopp record yet that I could definitely link with known Loops. I have found one "Soap" (Philyer Soap) in a census index that I knew was a misreading of Loop. When I look at an original census record and I am unsure as to translation of a letter (is it a "D", "L", or "S"?), then I will search through that part of the census for other names written by the same census taker using the same letters in names that I am sure of. I then compare it with the letter I'm trying to decipher. This has almost always worked for me. --- Janet, you list a record for Peter C. Loop died January, 1825, in Steuben County, NY. You have typed under it, "Book Page Will", but you have not entered any numbers. What is this a reference to. Do you have the numbers? This again confuses the issue of Peter Loop, Jr., and Peter C. Loop. I had decided that there were two different people (see Vital Records of Loop Scoop #4). It's very possible, of course that they were both Peter C. Loop. You ask about the place of death of Murray Loop which I have listed as "Battle of Mexico City". That was sent to me by Myrtle Fowler. She listed no source. I admit it's questionable. The Norry Loop group sheet I sent came from Bess Olson. (The missing dates are 1882, 1955, 1959, 1969, 1961, 1974, 1932, in that order). Janet, carefully read the last note below (#7). 4. In the Stockton California Public Library, of all places (in August we spent a couple of weeks in California on vacation), I found a reference to a "Larmen-Loop-Sheeprun" Cemetery [? my handwriting fails me again] in Pleasant Township, Brown County, Ohio. It is South of Georgetown on Laurerman Cemetery Rd, off London Rd., west of Free Soil Rd. If anyone is ever in that area, see if you can find any Loop's buried there. 5. Marilyn Loop has answered one of the "ten most wanted" by discovering the father of George Loop born in Westmoreland County, PA. His father's name was Christian. So she wins a year's free subscription to the Scoop (next year). Now the question is, who is this Christian Loop and who was George's mother. Marilyn submitted a DAR Patriot Index entry (1966, p. 423) which lists Christian Loup B. 1754 Hillsdale, Col. NY, d. 1826 Delaware, Ohio. But this is almost certainly erroneous. I've found DAR records to be fraught with errors. But let me know, Marilyn, what you find from the DAR records. There are two Christian Loops that I find in the 1790 US Census of Pennsylvania. One is in Cumberland County and the other in Northumberland County. There are also a Jacob and a John Soop listed in Westmoreland County in 1790. I can't find any of these in 1800. Christian is already in Delaware County, Ohio, in 1810 where he appears on a tax list. If someone gets a chance to check out the Soops in Westmoreland County in 1790, to see if they are really Loops, then please let me know your findings. 6. Hazel Dinsdale, in your letter of last April you say you "found an index on the Loops and even the book number". Could you tell me a little more about this. Was it a book all about Loops, or was it just a reference to some Loops in a book, your note wasn't too clear on that. 7. A thousand thanks to Ross Roby for sending me copies of the records Helmut Teibach has gathered on the Palatine Lupps. Helmut lives in Germany not far from the Bad Marienberg area and is also a Lupp descendant. I think from these records I know who were the parents of the brothers Martin and Sebastian Loop. See the family group sheet for Jacob Lupp of Langenbach. Not only does the family have a Martin and a Sebastian, but it also has a Gerlach and a Christian (maybe) And this Christian is married to an Anna Maria ______. This Christian and Anna Maria baptize a son, Johannes, in Langenbach in May of 1737, which doesn't give them much time to arrive in New York in October of 1737, but it still is possible. I think it not unlikely that our Martin, Sebastian, Gerlach, and Christian are all brothers. [Janet, where did you get the 1737 date for Christian and Maria's son John, on the family group for Christian you sent me? This could be crucial.]